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Re: The Missing Mark 5 Serial Numbers

#263317 by chapmanruss » Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:03 pm

Assuming that the Serial Numbers began with 400001 for production units this would be a fairly close approximation for a Serial Number/Production Date list for the Mark VII.

Fiscal Year Starting S/N
1963-1964 400001
1964-1965 403077
1965-1966 405895
1966-1967 408609
1967-1968 409965
1968-1969 410482

Again sales dates and production dates would be fairly close if the units were made as orders came in.

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Russ

Mark V 520 S/N 09-11-01 completely upgraded to Mark 7, with all SPT's & more.
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters. Has Speed Changer, Model 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E S/N 1077 oldest one I have restored. On bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters.

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Re: The Missing Mark 5 Serial Numbers

#263338 by Nyth63 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:47 pm

Russ,

You stated that "We do not know the introduction date for the Mark VII" so I decided to do a news search and found this:

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/3660821 ... roduction/

This is from the Los Angeles Times on Oct 17, 1963.

Also found this from the Cincinnati Enquirer October 27, 1963:

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/3660866 ... i_intro_2/
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10ER, '60 greenie, Mark VII
jointer, band saw, belt sander, jig saw, scroll saw, & mounted planer
- Kenn

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Re: The Missing Mark 5 Serial Numbers

#263354 by everettdavis » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:20 am

Nice work finding these for the Mark VII.

JPG had indicated he bought his in the Spring of 1963 ordering from Montgomery Ward and received it in two weeks of order.

I now am wondering if it was made for MW who were the first to sell it to consumers in Spring 1963 and Shopsmith after liquidation of a portion of Mark V inventories began selling it in October 1963.

I am always looking for documentation to augment what we know.

With the help of others we’ve found and preserved some Dealers Manuals but nothing new enough to include dated Mark VII materials, service bulletins etc within them. Equally only some material for the 10E/10ER lines.

Thank you for researching this.

I know that I have an original magazine somewhere in which they introduce the Mark VII. I will have to unbox a bunch of things to scan it and share what it has.

Kindest Regards,

Everett

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Re: The Missing Mark 5 Serial Numbers

#263355 by rpd » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:41 am

Hi Everett. a bit off topic, but I was just nosing about and came across these 10ER packing list files on the Yahoo ERdocuments group. Haven't seen them posted anywhere else, so thought you might be interested. :)

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/erd ... g%20Lists/

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Ron Dyck
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10ER #23430, 10ER #84609, 10ER #94987,two SS A-34 jigsaws for 10ER.
1959 Mark 5 #356595 Greenie, SS Magna Jointer, SS planer, SS bandsaw, SS scroll saw (gray), DC3300,

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Re: The Missing Mark 5 Serial Numbers

#263356 by everettdavis » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:17 am

Thank you! I did have one of the two posted under the folder from \From Dr. Hans Goldschmidt\Misc. Literature Magna\

His private files did not include the text only listing so I will not put it there but I will however clean it up and place it in the \10E & 10ER MAGNA\ folder.

Thanks

Everett

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Re: The Missing Mark 5 Serial Numbers

#263357 by everettdavis » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:21 am

Nyth63 wrote:Russ,

You stated that "We do not know the introduction date for the Mark VII" so I decided to do a news search and found this:

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/3660821 ... roduction/

This is from the Los Angeles Times on Oct 17, 1963.

Also found this from the Cincinnati Enquirer October 27, 1963:

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/3660866 ... i_intro_2/
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While I did reply to this separately just below the original entry, I have located a Mark VII Introduction Ad from Magna American Corporation that I did scan from Popular Science December 1963

Everett
1963 Magna American Mark VII Magna American Proudly Presents Mark VII-1.jpg
1963 Magna American Mark VII Magna American Proudly Presents Mark VII-1.jpg (457.35 KiB) Viewed 3390 times

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Re: The Missing Mark 5 Serial Numbers

#263363 by chapmanruss » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:56 pm

Everett you said
JPG had indicated he bought his in the Spring of 1963 ordering from Montgomery Ward and received it in two weeks of order.
Wasn't that JPG's Goldie Mark 5?

With the introduction of the Mark VII in October 1963 that makes the list I posted above fairly close to estimating when Mark VII's were made. At least Fiscal Year by Fiscal Year.

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Russ

Mark V 520 S/N 09-11-01 completely upgraded to Mark 7, with all SPT's & more.
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters. Has Speed Changer, Model 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E S/N 1077 oldest one I have restored. On bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters.

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Re: The Missing Mark 5 Serial Numbers

#263378 by JPG » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:12 pm

chapmanruss wrote:Everett you said
JPG had indicated he bought his in the Spring of 1963 ordering from Montgomery Ward and received it in two weeks of order.
Wasn't that JPG's Goldie Mark 5?

With the introduction of the Mark VII in October 1963 that makes the list I posted above fairly close to estimating when Mark VII's were made. At least Fiscal Year by Fiscal Year.


YES.

This thread jumps around both M5 and MVII. Not always easy to tell which is being discussed in a given post.

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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E(SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange

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Re: The Missing Mark 5 Serial Numbers

#263415 by Nyth63 » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:18 pm

I did a little searching to see what was the last reference to the Mark VII I could find. I came across this ad from November 1968.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/3670045 ... i_last_ad/

Rather sad that the ad copy is almost identical to the first ads. I looks like Magna was just not serious about selling the Shopsmith. Like their heart was not in it.
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10ER, '60 greenie, Mark VII
jointer, band saw, belt sander, jig saw, scroll saw, & mounted planer
- Kenn

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Re: The Missing Mark 5 Serial Numbers

#263671 by Nyth63 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:39 pm

Here is my guess for the Mark VII serial number history. Comments Please

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10ER, '60 greenie, Mark VII
jointer, band saw, belt sander, jig saw, scroll saw, & mounted planer
- Kenn

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