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everettdavis wrote:I am working in the next two weeks to get some things rearranged in my shop and storage areas. This is enabled now as I retire next Friday after 28.8 years.

I have one Shopsmith Mounted Planer (New Old Stock).

It still has most of the white adhesive backed protector on the bed surface, which means both it, and the feed motor is unused beyond any factory testing when manufactured.

If I find time, I will take the feed motor off, remove and measure the new (at least never used) brushes, disassemble the end cap and show what is necessary to disconnect and remove the brush holders. I will measure those as well.

I also have a Pro Planer which will have a different feed motor. I will consider doing that one too. This would get 2 of the 4 known types.

Everett


Given that all the feed motors were probably made by VonWeise I would expect the brushes and components to be the same. However, an actual measurement will prove that.

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One of my B brushes....Image

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Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?

#252119 by BuckeyeDennis » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:44 pm

If you drill down to replacement brushes on the VonWeise website, one of them is explicitly identifies as fitting the V03537AC80 and V03537AD80 motors. The dimensions match as well.

http://estore.vonweise.com/v00212aoajbr ... 2-2-1.aspx

Not cheap, though.

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BuckeyeDennis wrote:If you drill down to replacement brushes on the VonWeise website, one of them is explicitly identifies as fitting the V03537AC80 and V03537AD80 motors. The dimensions match as well.

http://estore.vonweise.com/v00212aoajbr ... 2-2-1.aspx

Not cheap, though.


Excellent!!!

Now about the brush holder? ;)

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Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?

#252125 by BuckeyeDennis » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:45 am

JPG wrote:
BuckeyeDennis wrote:If you drill down to replacement brushes on the VonWeise website, one of them is explicitly identifies as fitting the V03537AC80 and V03537AD80 motors. The dimensions match as well.

http://estore.vonweise.com/v00212aoajbr ... 2-2-1.aspx

Not cheap, though.


Excellent!!!

Now about the brush holder? ;)


I didn’t see any other applicable parts on the website — figure that’s a “call and ask” thing. But I was idly curious if they might still sell the entire motors. However, given what the charge for the brushes, the Mothership’s price for a replacement motor might look pretty darned good.

Speaking of brushes, do you see any reason that one could’t buy a cheap generic brush in a larger size, and machine it down to fit?

For that matter, the Helwig brush below might fit without modification, aside from possibly cutting off the spring and lead wire. From playing with the brush-selection filters, I believe that it has a 0.5” concave radius (for the commutator) ... not sure what the motor actually needs.

https://www.helwigcarbon.com/catalog/carbon-brush/403

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BuckeyeDennis wrote:
JPG wrote:
BuckeyeDennis wrote:If you drill down to replacement brushes on the VonWeise website, one of them is explicitly identifies as fitting the V03537AC80 and V03537AD80 motors. The dimensions match as well.

http://estore.vonweise.com/v00212aoajbr ... 2-2-1.aspx

Not cheap, though.


Excellent!!!

Now about the brush holder? ;)


I didn’t see any other applicable parts on the website — figure that’s a “call and ask” thing. But I was idly curious if they might still sell the entire motors. However, given what the charge for the brushes, the Mothership’s price for a replacement motor might look pretty darned good.

Speaking of brushes, do you see any reason that one could’t buy a cheap generic brush in a larger size, and machine it down to fit?

For that matter, the Helwig brush below might fit without modification, aside from possibly cutting off the spring and lead wire. From playing with the brush-selection filters, I believe that it has a 0.5” concave radius (for the commutator) ... not sure what the motor actually needs.

https://www.helwigcarbon.com/catalog/carbon-brush/403


Remove both brushes. Measure to the commutator etc.. Calculate diameter. . . .

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Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?

#252136 by everettdavis » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:23 am

I found a source for the Von Wiese brushes at $2.50 ea. from http://www.carbonbrush.com/bostonbrush.htm

It is an industry part number K09128-0009

Thickness 0.250"
Width 0.312"
Length 0.625"

Drawing Style 4NS

Since the brushes are the things that most often wear and need replacement, this looks like a good candidate for a replacement brush.

I still have to find brush holders for them, but this is a far better price, and unless the holder is damaged, likely all that's needed to fix worn brushes on those two models, perhaps more once we document the size and type.

Everett

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Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?

#252137 by BuckeyeDennis » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:43 am

Nice sleuthing, Everett!!!

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everettdavis wrote:I found a source for the Von Wiese brushes at $2.50 ea. from http://www.carbonbrush.com/bostonbrush.htm

It is an industry part number K09128-0009

Thickness 0.250"
Width 0.312"
Length 0.625"

Drawing Style 4NS

Since the brushes are the things that most often wear and need replacement, this looks like a good candidate for a replacement brush.

I still have to find brush holders for them, but this is a far better price, and unless the holder is damaged, likely all that's needed to fix worn brushes on those two models, perhaps more once we document the size and type.

Everett


As I posted above Eurton Electric has them also although not that cheap but half the price of the VonWeise brushes.

http://store.eurtonelectric.com/25x31x6 ... 403-2.aspx

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Unlike in the U.S. the Feed Motor European 240v Model Planer has the Von Weise Label on the motor opposed to a less descriptive Shopsmith Inc one.

It doesn't answer the Brush Holder Question, but it is another piece of the puzzle.

Everett
Feed Motor European 240v Model Planer.jpg
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