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New owner 10ER restoration

#261595 by Matt » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:09 am

Hello! :)

I just obtained my first Shopsmith. It's a 10ER, serial 35123, in kind of rough shape. I want to get it functional, and looking like brand new. I know it'll take some work!

So far the only thing I've done is lay out the box of parts and start figuring out what I have, and what's missing. Let's see some pictures:
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I've only just started learning about this machine. Already found that fantastic google drive full of documents. Figured out I have the optional speed changer, shaper fence, front table extension, mortising attachment, and mortising hold down.

My first question... what year of manufacture is this machine? I found the mark V s/n list, but not the list for 10ERs. Where can I find that information, please?

Those last two photos... ugh! I sure hope that pulley whatsit was a spare, 'cause I think it's just a little bit beyond help. And it's probably not too clear that the last photo is looking inside the headstock, where I found a wirenut and electrical tape!!! I am seriously horrified that I turned this thing on, with my hand touching the case! I could've been killed. This deathtrap is absolutely not going to run again until I strip all that crap out, clean her up, and put her back together right.

Anyway. Hello to the forum! I've already been reading here for the past couple of days, and you all seem like a great bunch of people.

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10ER sn 35123, beginning restoration

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Re: New owner 10ER restoration

#261611 by JPG » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:50 am

Welcome Matt pun intended!

Nice find. Look in that cardboard box and see if there is a tailstock eccentric therein.

Maybe some lathe centers as well?

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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E(SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange

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Re: New owner 10ER restoration

#261613 by rpd » Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:44 am

Welcome aboard. :)

Best estimate on date would be early 1951.

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Ron Dyck
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10ER #23430, 10ER #84609, 10ER #94987,two SS A-34 jigsaws for 10ER.
1959 Mark 5 #356595 Greenie, SS Magna Jointer, SS planer, SS bandsaw, SS scroll saw (gray), DC3300,

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Re: New owner 10ER restoration

#261614 by chapmanruss » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:38 pm

Hi Matt,
Your Model 10ER looks to be fairly complete. Depending upon what is found in the box. Hopefully an eccentric as JPG mentioned. It is like a large bolt and nut with a #2 Morris taper hole through it. I you need a picture to help identify it I can take one for you. As you disassemble your Shopsmith for restoration use caution. The broken pulley was most likely damaged while trying to pry it off the drive sleeve. As for the age of your 10ER I would put it at late 1950. This is based on a serial number near yours being purchased 10-10-50. There is no chart of serial number - manufacture dates like there is for the Mark 5/V so estimating manufacture dates has to be based on information owners have found out about their machine. In the reference above it was the sales receipt. As you go through the parts and accessories you have to remember after almost 7 decades it is common to find non-Shopsmith parts in with it. An example of a non-Shopsmith part in your collection is indicated by the arrow in your picture below and I have no idea what it is.

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Come back for help whenever you find the need.

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Russ

Mark V 520 S/N 09-11-01 completely upgraded to Mark 7, with all SPT's & more.
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters. Has Speed Changer, Model 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E S/N 1077 oldest one I have restored. On bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters.

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Re: New owner 10ER restoration

#261615 by chapmanruss » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:42 pm

Here is a picture of the Floating Center, as it is called, for the tailstock. These are part numbers 104-12R Floating Center and 104-13R Floating Center Nut.

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If you are using the 10ER manual from Everett's google drive the part number are different as all part numbers changed November 1951.
A 2343 Floating Center and A 2344 Nut-Center Lock
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Russ

Mark V 520 S/N 09-11-01 completely upgraded to Mark 7, with all SPT's & more.
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters. Has Speed Changer, Model 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E S/N 1077 oldest one I have restored. On bench w/ Shopsmith metal ends & retractable casters.

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Re: New owner 10ER restoration

#261624 by cham-ed » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:07 pm

Not to say anything wrong with this forum,over on Yahoo there is a specific 10ER group. I say this in part because the current Shopsmith never made the 10ER. But you will also find a lot of help here. I recommend both.

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Re: New owner 10ER restoration

#261626 by rjent » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:41 pm

Lots of us have rebuilt 10ER's here. Do a search for "reborn". MickyD and a few others and you will find tons of info on how to polish the tubes, dissassemble the headstock, bearing replacement etc.

Nice looking 10ER! You will love it. Great machine!

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Dick

1965 Mark VII S/N 407684
1951 10 ER S/N ER 44570 -- Reborn 9/16/14
1950 10 ER S/N ER 33479 Reborn July 2016
1950 10 ER S/N ER 39671
1951 jigsaw
1951 !0 ER #3 in rebuild
500, Jointer, Bsaw, Bsander, Planer
2014 Mark 7 W/Lift assist - 14 4" Jointer - DC3300
And a plethora of small stuff .....


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Re: New owner 10ER restoration

#261632 by Matt » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:53 am

Many thanks for the welcome and words of advice. I'll certainly check out that Yahoo group. (Who even knew Yahoo was still around?)

It turns out that I'm missing two important bits: the Floating Center / eccentric for the tailstock, and also the carriage locking lever. I have the two little wedge-plug whatsits, but not the lever itself. So the obvious next step is to start sourcing those parts. I saw this part on eBay, but $25 seems kind of steep when I've seen entire 10ERs available for less than $100. MKC Tools has some really nice looking parts. I should talk to him and find out if he has anything I need. I already figure I'll get the belts for the speed changer from MKC.

I'm in Redding, California. Anybody know a good source in the neighborhood?

I've been reading up on other restorations. Lots of great experience, freely shared around here! Now I'm planning on setting up that PVC tubes and Evaporust system for my waytubes. Probably use Citristrip to remove the paint. I'm thinking about a royal blue paintjob for the old girl.

So I gather this speed changer is kind of rare? I turned the crank a little bit, and it moves smoothly. It looks like it was broken and welded back together at least once.

It's an exciting new project right now... but I know it'll be a long haul. Not least because I've already committed to finishing two other smaller projects before even starting on the SS, so I actually need to just put all the parts away for awhile and get other work done.

Thanks again for the welcome! I'll post more photos once I get some work done.

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10ER sn 35123, beginning restoration

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Re: New owner 10ER restoration

#261636 by JPG » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:54 am

Yes 'karenhenks' sets high prices. After MKC, wait on E-Bay for another if then needed.

Realize there have been different versions of the locks.

FWIW the lathe centers missing can be replaced with new from SS.

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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E(SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange

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Re: New owner 10ER restoration

#261637 by rpd » Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:55 am

The Yahoo forum doesn't get a lot of traffic these days, but there is good information to be found in the files and photos sections and by searching old posts. :)

There is also a fairly new Facebook group for the 10ER. https://www.facebook.com/groups/Shopsmith10ER/

I find the forum format here is the best for in depth discussions, :D

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Ron Dyck
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10ER #23430, 10ER #84609, 10ER #94987,two SS A-34 jigsaws for 10ER.
1959 Mark 5 #356595 Greenie, SS Magna Jointer, SS planer, SS bandsaw, SS scroll saw (gray), DC3300,

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