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Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:57 pm
by everettdavis
Those both are valid motors.
Everett
- Two of the Planer Feed Motors.jpg (181.54 KiB) Viewed 14905 times
Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:00 pm
by JPG
jsburger wrote:JPG wrote:I tempted fate!
1/4 x 5/16 x 1/2 Measured 0.246 x 0.309 x 0.477
Brush retaining cap appears to be 1/2 - 32 thread(about 3 threads).
I did NOT pull the brush holder from the motor.
I do not know anything re vintage nor any history as it was an E-bay purchase.
The part # on the tag is VO3537AA80.
Mine is V03537A
D80
Did you make a typo? If not I will pull one and measure.
No typo.
However, I believe mine is from a SS mount planer in spite of it being black. History unknown(an e-bay purchase).
Additional info on the tag:
\gear ratio 29:1
Motor rpm 3300(at 90vdc I assume).
1/20 HP
90V .5A
Well Everett posted before I completed this post.
He posted a pix of MY motor tag!!!
Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:02 pm
by JPG
I think the different gear head ratio illustrates the difference between the SS mount and the proplaner motor. Different speed range obtained.
Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:07 pm
by jsburger
JPG wrote:jsburger wrote:JPG wrote:I tempted fate!
1/4 x 5/16 x 1/2 Measured 0.246 x 0.309 x 0.477
Brush retaining cap appears to be 1/2 - 32 thread(about 3 threads).
I did NOT pull the brush holder from the motor.
I do not know anything re vintage nor any history as it was an E-bay purchase.
The part # on the tag is VO3537AA80.
Mine is V03537A
D80
Did you make a typo? If not I will pull one and measure.
No typo.
However, I believe mine is from a SS mount planer in spite of it being black. History unknown(an e-bay purchase).
Additional info on the tag:
\gear ratio 29:1
Motor rpm 3300(at 90vdc I assume).
1/20 HP
90V .5A
Well Everett posted before I completed this post.
He posted a pix of MY motor tag!!!
The other one is mine. At least it is the same serial number. So I will pull a brush and see if it is the same size as yours.
Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:08 pm
by everettdavis
Here is a 3rd model V03537AC80
Everett
- Planer Motor V03537AC80.JPG (129.73 KiB) Viewed 14903 times
Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:37 pm
by Skizzity
And the B
Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:55 pm
by jsburger
So it looks like the A and B models are the early SS mounted and Pro planer motors and the C and D models are the later models for the same planers.
The 29:1 ratio is the SS mount planer and the 18.48:1 is the Pro planer.
Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:33 pm
by everettdavis
jsburger wrote:So it looks like the A and B models are the early SS mounted and Pro planer motors and the C and D models are the later models for the same planers.
The 29:1 ratio is the SS mount planer and the 18.48:1 is the Pro planer.
That sounds right to me as well.
V03537AA80 .5 A 1/20HP 90 VDC 29:1 RATIO 3300 RPM
V03537AB80 .5 A 1/20HP 115 VDC 18.48:1 RATIO 3300 RPM
V03537AC80 .5 A 1/20HP 115 VDC 29:1 RATIO 3300 RPM
V03537AD80 .5 A 1/20HP 115 VDC 18.48:1 RATIO 3300 RPM
There may be more motor model designators than these as Shopsmith sourced the motor(s) from multiple vendors. I am still searching for Brushes, Brush Holders and Caps that are in different vintages of DC Motors that we might could use to repair motors that simply have worn brushes.
I am not holding my breath, but someone, somewhere with a background in these types of motors may have the exact answer we need and clue us in. The labels are Shopsmith labels put on the motors likey by the vendors opposed to their own model numbers and OEM Manufacturer Name. If we knew those, we would know what parts to seek.
No one including Shopsmith would have had a complete motor series manufactured just for them due to the expense. Reduction gear variances were offered by many motor vendors in the day and Shopsmith could have selected an option there.
Everett
Here is another site that has brush holders etc. If someone near them in Whittier, Ca. cares to pick this up and take it forward by carrying in a sample or two.
http://store.eurtonelectric.com/brushholders.aspx
UPDATE:
Didn't realize this was there until today! Shopsmith V03537AD80 Armature Rewind $125.00
http://eurtonelectric.com/catalog/armat ... ure_rewind
If they can rewind the armature, then these motors are serviceable. I would bet they can match the brushes, brush holders, and caps too.
This could be a game changer....
Everett
- Armature Rebuild for V03537AD80 125.00.png (108.42 KiB) Viewed 14838 times
Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:04 pm
by jsburger
everettdavis wrote:jsburger wrote:So it looks like the A and B models are the early SS mounted and Pro planer motors and the C and D models are the later models for the same planers.
The 29:1 ratio is the SS mount planer and the 18.48:1 is the Pro planer.
That sounds right to me as well.
V03537AA80 .5 A 1/20HP 90 VDC 29:1 RATIO 3300 RPM
V03537AB80 .5 A 1/20HP 115 VDC 18.48:1 RATIO 3300 RPM
V03537AC80 .5 A 1/20HP 115 VDC 29:1 RATIO 3300 RPM
V03537AD80 .5 A 1/20HP 115 VDC 18.48:1 RATIO 3300 RPM
There may be more motor model designators than these as Shopsmith sourced the motor(s) from multiple vendors. I am still searching for Brushes, Brush Holders and Caps that are in different vintages of DC Motors that we might could use to repair motors that simply have worn brushes.
I am not holding my breath, but someone, somewhere with a background in these types of motors may have the exact answer we need and clue us in. The labels are Shopsmith labels put on the motors likey by the vendors opposed to their own model numbers and OEM Manufacturer Name. If we knew those, we would know what parts to seek.
No one including Shopsmith would have had a complete motor series manufactured just for them due to the expense. Reduction gear variances were offered by many motor vendors in the day and Shopsmith could have selected an option there.
Everett
Here is another site that has brush holders etc. If someone near them in Whittier, Ca. cares to pick this up and take it forward by carrying in a sample or two.
http://store.eurtonelectric.com/brushholders.aspx
UPDATE:
Didn't realize this was there until today! Shopsmith V03537AD80 Armature Rewind $125.00
http://eurtonelectric.com/catalog/armat ... ure_rewind
If they can rewind the armature, then these motors are serviceable. I would bet they can match the brushes, brush holders, and caps too.
This could be a game changer....
Everett
Armature Rebuild for V03537AD80 125.00.png
I called Eurton Electric and talked to Heather. She was most helpful. She totally agreed with my premis that the brushes etc. are probably not unique although she did say some manufactures do use "oddball/non-standard" sizes.
She said you search for brushes by size not motor manufacturer. She said measure the brush and give them a call. They probably have them in stock and if not they can have them made if they are truly unique.
Here is the brush from JPG's A model motor.
http://store.eurtonelectric.com/25x31x6 ... 403-2.aspx
Yes it is a little longer but a new brush should be longer. The only other variable is the cap on the end of the spring. That has to be matched since there are various shapes.
I asked the obvious question, "Who made the motor and do you have the prints?". No prints, they reverse engineer almost everything. The manufacturer is probably a VonWeeise or a Chinese knock off was the answer. Well, not Chinese from what we know about SS back then.
Here is the VonWeise web site.
http://www.vonweise.com/index.htm
They are in Eaton Rapids, MI. Notice the similarity of the part numbers on the web site to the SS motor part numbers.
VonWeise may not answer any questions due to a proprietary relationship between them and SS but it is worth asking.
Re: Can a 12" Planer w/o feed motor be converted to manual feed?
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:19 pm
by everettdavis
I am working in the next two weeks to get some things rearranged in my shop and storage areas. This is enabled now as I retire next Friday after 28.8 years.
I have one Shopsmith Mounted Planer (New Old Stock).
It still has most of the white adhesive backed protector on the bed surface, which means both it, and the feed motor is unused beyond any factory testing when manufactured.
If I find time, I will take the feed motor off, remove and measure the new (at least never used) brushes, disassemble the end cap and show what is necessary to disconnect and remove the brush holders. I will measure those as well.
I also have a Pro Planer which will have a different feed motor. I will consider doing that one too. This would get 2 of the 4 known types.
Everett